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| {{anchor:s637}}And to compare Randi and Marketplace with researchers from renowned centers -- it is not equal. {{anchor:s638}}There are serious scientists out there doing serious research, and the work of Benveniste was replicated by several labs since, and it was published a long time ago -- over 10 years ago. | {{anchor:s637}}And to compare Randi and Marketplace with researchers from renowned centers -- it is not equal. {{anchor:s638}}There are serious scientists out there doing serious research, and the work of Benveniste was replicated by several labs since, and it was published a long time ago -- over 10 years ago. | ||
| - | {{anchor:s639}}In terms of history, Joe, you don’t know your history. {{anchor:s640}}The process of serial dilution and succussion was not an invention of Hahnemann. {{anchor:s641}}It has been known at least since Paracelsus. {{anchor:s642}}And Hahnemann used those at least till 1822. {{anchor:s643}}In other words, he went to the process of serial dilution slowly, slowly over the years. {{anchor:s644}}It was only around 1812 that he went beyond Avogadro’s number. | + | {{anchor:s639}}In terms of history, Joe, you don’t know your history. {{anchor:s640}}The process of serial dilution and succussion was not an invention of Hahnemann. {{anchor:s641}}It has been known at least since Paracelsus. {{anchor:s642}}And Hahnemann used crude doses at least till 1822. {{anchor:s643}}In other words, he went to the process of serial dilution slowly, slowly over the years. {{anchor:s644}}It was only around 1812 that he went beyond Avogadro’s number. |
| {{anchor:s645}}He took many years. {{anchor:s646}}It was not a flash of genius; it was a process of experimentation. {{anchor:s647}}And as he experimented, he noticed greater response from the patients, and he said, //“Let’s do it further//.{{anchor:s648}}” Greater response. {{anchor:s649}}This is confirmed now from the work on Nano-bubbles, where there is an augmentation of the effect. | {{anchor:s645}}He took many years. {{anchor:s646}}It was not a flash of genius; it was a process of experimentation. {{anchor:s647}}And as he experimented, he noticed greater response from the patients, and he said, //“Let’s do it further//.{{anchor:s648}}” Greater response. {{anchor:s649}}This is confirmed now from the work on Nano-bubbles, where there is an augmentation of the effect. | ||
| - | {{anchor:s650}}In terms of the placebo effect, Joe, I think you are in 1955 with Beaker’s study of the powerful placebo effect. {{anchor:s651}}This was reviewed many, many times since 1955, and the Cochran calibration came out, I think, this year with a review of all the trials where they compare placebo with effective treatment and the no treatment arm. {{anchor:s652}}And when they used this, when they looked at about 200 trials with the no treatment arm, and they found out that the placebo effect in clinical trials is really negligible. | + | {{anchor:s650}}In terms of the placebo effect, Joe, I think you are in 1955 with Beaker’s study of the powerful placebo effect. {{anchor:s651}}This was reviewed many, many times since 1955, and the Cochrane collaboration came out, I think, this year with a review of all the trials where they compare placebo with effective treatment and the no treatment arm. {{anchor:s652}}And when they used this, when they looked at about 200 trials with the no treatment arm, and they found out that the placebo effect in clinical trials is really negligible. |
| {{anchor:s653}}I was telling you that I am going to present you the findings of the most comprehensive review of homeopathy. {{anchor:s654}}This was the one that I referred to before, and Joe also referred to -- also called the Swiss study. | {{anchor:s653}}I was telling you that I am going to present you the findings of the most comprehensive review of homeopathy. {{anchor:s654}}This was the one that I referred to before, and Joe also referred to -- also called the Swiss study. | ||
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