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| {{anchor:s147}}And here on the left you can see tin at the 10<sup>-60</sup> and on the right you can see tin at the 10<sup>-400</sup>. {{anchor:s148}}Now, you will say, “ //Yeah, but that was published in a journal of homeopathy//.” | {{anchor:s147}}And here on the left you can see tin at the 10<sup>-60</sup> and on the right you can see tin at the 10<sup>-400</sup>. {{anchor:s148}}Now, you will say, “ //Yeah, but that was published in a journal of homeopathy//.” | ||
| - | {{anchor:s149}}The same team [[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23083226|published]] in the //Journal of Langmuir//, which is a very, very prestigious journal of chemistry -- actually, it’s one of the journals of the American Chemical Society, and they have a motto, which is: “//The most trusted, the most cited, and the most read journal.//” And this team from the Indian Institute of Technology confirmed that they found particles even at these extreme super-Avogadro dilutions, and they found out a process.[(Chikramane PS, Kalita D, Suresh AK, Kane SG, Bellare JR. Why Extreme Dilutions Reach Non-zero Asymptotes: A Nanoparticulate Hypothesis Based on Froth Flotation. //Langmuir.// 2012 Nov 13;28(45):15864-75. doi: 10.1021/la303477s. Epub 2012 Nov 1.)] | + | {{anchor:s149}}The same team [[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23083226|published]] in the //Journal of Langmuir//, which is a very, very prestigious journal of chemistry -- actually, it’s one of the journals of the American Chemical Society, and they have a motto, which is: “//The most trusted, the most cited, and the most read journal.//” And this team from the Indian Institute of Technology confirmed that they found particles even at these extreme super-Avogadro dilutions, and they found out a process.[(nanostudy>Chikramane PS, Kalita D, Suresh AK, Kane SG, Bellare JR. Why Extreme Dilutions Reach Non-zero Asymptotes: A Nanoparticulate Hypothesis Based on Froth Flotation. //Langmuir.// 2012 Nov 13;28(45):15864-75. doi: 10.1021/la303477s. Epub 2012 Nov 1.)] |
| {{anchor:s150}}I’ll show you: here is the process of trituration, and here is the process of dilution. {{anchor:s151}}After three series of trituration, it goes into a solution, and then the succuss. {{anchor:s152}}And then as this process progresses, there are nano-bubbles that accumulate in an asymptotic manner. {{anchor:s153}}That means it never reaches zero. {{anchor:s154}}So as you are diluting and succussing, the nano-bubbles actually multiply. | {{anchor:s150}}I’ll show you: here is the process of trituration, and here is the process of dilution. {{anchor:s151}}After three series of trituration, it goes into a solution, and then the succuss. {{anchor:s152}}And then as this process progresses, there are nano-bubbles that accumulate in an asymptotic manner. {{anchor:s153}}That means it never reaches zero. {{anchor:s154}}So as you are diluting and succussing, the nano-bubbles actually multiply. | ||
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| {{anchor:s639}}In terms of history, Joe, you don’t know your history. {{anchor:s640}}The process of serial dilution and succussion was not an invention of Hahnemann. {{anchor:s641}}It has been known at least since Paracelsus. {{anchor:s642}}And Hahnemann used crude doses at least till 1822. {{anchor:s643}}In other words, he went to the process of serial dilution slowly, slowly over the years. {{anchor:s644}}It was only around 1812 that he went beyond Avogadro’s number. | {{anchor:s639}}In terms of history, Joe, you don’t know your history. {{anchor:s640}}The process of serial dilution and succussion was not an invention of Hahnemann. {{anchor:s641}}It has been known at least since Paracelsus. {{anchor:s642}}And Hahnemann used crude doses at least till 1822. {{anchor:s643}}In other words, he went to the process of serial dilution slowly, slowly over the years. {{anchor:s644}}It was only around 1812 that he went beyond Avogadro’s number. | ||
| - | {{anchor:s645}}He took many years. {{anchor:s646}}It was not a flash of genius; it was a process of experimentation. {{anchor:s647}}And as he experimented, he noticed greater response from the patients, and he said, //“Let’s do it further//.{{anchor:s648}}” Greater response. {{anchor:s649}}This is confirmed now from the work on Nano-bubbles, where there is an augmentation of the effect. | + | {{anchor:s645}}He took many years. {{anchor:s646}}It was not a flash of genius; it was a process of experimentation. {{anchor:s647}}And as he experimented, he noticed greater response from the patients, and he said, //“Let’s do it further//.{{anchor:s648}}” Greater response. {{anchor:s649}}This is confirmed now from the work on nanobubbles, where there is an augmentation of the effect.[(nanostudy)] |
| {{anchor:s650}}In terms of the placebo effect, Joe, I think you are in 1955 with Beaker’s study of the powerful placebo effect. {{anchor:s651}}This was reviewed many, many times since 1955, and the Cochrane collaboration came out, I think, this year with a review of all the trials where they compare placebo with effective treatment and the no treatment arm. {{anchor:s652}}And when they used this, when they looked at about 200 trials with the no treatment arm, and they found out that the placebo effect in clinical trials is really negligible. | {{anchor:s650}}In terms of the placebo effect, Joe, I think you are in 1955 with Beaker’s study of the powerful placebo effect. {{anchor:s651}}This was reviewed many, many times since 1955, and the Cochrane collaboration came out, I think, this year with a review of all the trials where they compare placebo with effective treatment and the no treatment arm. {{anchor:s652}}And when they used this, when they looked at about 200 trials with the no treatment arm, and they found out that the placebo effect in clinical trials is really negligible. | ||
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